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  • #16691

    I already old open source project of forgerock.
    But them not community edition.
    I have to rebuild community edition or still use old open source ?

    #16692

    and what about ForgeRock Identity Platform 5.0 Open Source Code ?

    #16714
     abhsange
    Participant

    AM5 was released on 29 March 2017 with some great features, however source code is still not available. https://forgerock.org/ mentions to send mail [email protected] to get source code access. Also trial version’s license of AM5 mention that it can be used for 60 days only.

    Does this mean that AM5 is no longer open source offering and there is end to OpenAM open source versions ?

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 5 months ago by Peter Major.
    • This reply was modified 3 years, 5 months ago by Peter Major.
    #16716
     bthalmayr
    Participant

    Does the following statement, still hold true?

    “We make it happen with the best commercial open source identity platform for securing anything, anywhere, on any device.”

    If yes, it would be great to have access to the recent source.

    #16724
     Aron Kozak
    Spectator

    Sarankon: You can continue to use previous versions that you have in your projects.

    As for the source for ForgeRock Identity Platform 5.0:
    As of November 2016, we separated the development of our open source software from our commercial software. Specifically, we now have two versions of product–a community version and a commercial version. The development trunk is no longer public. The last revision of code publicly available from the old model is from the platform release in 2016.

    Our community edition can be found here:
    http://forgerock.github.io/

    If you would like to request access to the open source code contained in the ForgeRock Identity Platform 5.0, please send an email to [email protected].

    More details on the split between the two versions can be found here:
    https://www.forgerock.com/platform/how-buy/

    #16725
     Aron Kozak
    Spectator

    As of November 2016, we separated the development of our open source software from our commercial software. Specifically, we now have two versions of product–a community version and a commercial version. The development trunk is no longer public. The last revision of code publicly available from the old model is from the platform release in 2016.

    Our community edition can be found here: http://forgerock.github.io/

    #16745
     bthalmayr
    Participant

    OpenAM 13.0.0 was publicly available as community edition … wasn’t it?

    If this wasn’t the case, are we still allowed to use it built from source at that time?

    http://forgerock.github.io/ seems to have only 11.0.3

    #16748
     abhsange
    Participant

    Thanks @aronkozak for details!

    1) You mentioned that “The last revision of code publicly available from the old model is from the platform release in 2016”, however http://forgerock.github.io/ has v11.0.3 only. As per my understanding, v11 was released in 2013. Does this mean that OpenAM 13.0 no longer available as open source ? I can see from forum post that maven repo for OpenAM 13 is already protected.

    2) Is there any published documentation on how Forgerock planning to maintain community version ?

    #16769
     Yeroc
    Participant

    While this doesn’t directly affect us as a subscriber of the commercial product I don’t understand how any kind of community involvement can be built around source code that is by definition always going to be obsolete? It seems to me it will be unlikely anyone would be interested in even trying to fix bugs or add features to code that’s not current. Nor does it seem likely that ForgeRock would even be able to merge any contributions from the community into their codebase which will be advanced beyond what is available to the community. Am I missing something here? This is backwards to how RedHat and other companies that successfully build commercialized products around open source while at the same time encouraging community involvement and contributions. As I see it, going forward ForgeRock will (by their own choice) be fully bearing the cost of all development rather than enabling the community to provide some sweat equity into the product gratis. It would be nice to see ForgeRock explain the rationale behind this decision. If this has already been explained elsewhere please point me in that direction.

    Regards,
    Corey

    #16781

    About Open Source Code ForgeRock Identity Platform 5.0, Can I build self and use same older
    and why community version will not start with ForgeRock Identity Platform 5.0

    I not sure about this please answer me. @aronkozak or other mod
    – If I build your open source code I can use it free ? and about version 5. ?
    – Now, Can I still use older version free that I already build ?
    – If Not free, I have to change to community version right ?

    Thank you, Forgerock Team that you make the best product _/\_
    ps. I love your product, but I don’t have budget enough to buy your product
    and I understand money is important.

    #16789
     ekarlso
    Participant

    So the available version to use for opensource now is going to be 1-2 years in development behind the commercial version? Who in their right mind would want to be using that?

    #16794
     Peter Major
    Moderator

    – If I build your open source code I can use it free ? and about version 5. ?

    Yes, source code you build yourself can be used for free.
    Access Manager 5 does not have all its source code available under an open source licence, in other words the ForgeRock IP is protected by a commercial licence, which means it’s not open source.
    You can obtain the CDDL licenced code that makes up AM5, but you won’t be able to build it since a good portion of the product’s source will be missing (including the POM files since FR migrated the build from the original Ant files to Maven).

    – Now, Can I still use older version free that I already build ?

    Yes.

    #16796
     Peter Major
    Moderator

    Given that this topic is essentially about the separation from open source and the introduction of enterprise and community editions, I will merge this thread into https://forum.forgerock.com/topic/community-edition/ so that the answers are not repeated and one place contains all information needed.

    #16804
     Peter Major
    Moderator

    @bthalmayr The licence was not changed retroactively, all previous releases are still available with exactly the same licence they have been originally released with. As 13 source was released under CDDL, it is still available for everyone and can be used for any purposes so long they are built manually (the ForgeRock binary licence on the released artifacts still apply, so artifacts downloaded from BackStage cannot be used in production environments without a ForgeRock subscription).

    #16805
     Peter Major
    Moderator

    @abhsange
    To be precise, OpenAM 11.0.3 was originally built on 2015-March-02 15:50
    whilst OpenAM 13.0.0 was built on 2016-January-14 21:15

    so in essence the difference between the above releases is that 11.0.3 is quite mature and a more stable version, whilst 13.0.0 has all the nice new features, but also is likely to contain more bugs and issues.

    Which community version you use, is pretty much up to you, as I mentioned earlier, the licence on 13.0.0 has not changed.

    Of course as time passes, you will no longer have a decision to make, there will be only outdated enterprise versions available as community editions (as long as this new business model is still in place).

    To answer your other question: I am not aware of any documents that describe how community editions will be maintained and by whom.

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